from a Sky TV show entitled "Conspiracies", presented byDanny Wallace. And that there were not binoculars on the Titanic? Titanic did not strike an iceberg Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. 1. However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. 45,000) in the last eight years. damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. 4. The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. 4. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston He always maintained that the iceberg These include: Lookout Fredrick Fleet, Quartermaster George Rowe, Quartermaster Alfred Olliver, The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. Morgan also had several valuable bronze statues removed from the ship just one hour before she sailed! The bulkheads were not actually sealed at the top, this oversight allowed water to flow over, filling each compartment, one at a time. Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. We know that Titanic had spare propellers made (as after the disaster they were used for memorials) so it would not be unreasonable to expect Olympic was the same. Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). And when we factor in that the passenger capacity was actually even less (2550, which would mean space for 1503) then we clearly see the claim is not accurate at all. 35. 22. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. Olympic's wheelhouse in 1912 was curved at the front (left diagram) while Titanic's was straight. name on it. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" His English translation of Giuseppe Verdis Rigoletto was staged by the English National Opera in 1982. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. Promenade Suites, identical to Olympic's. Fitting out photographs Take the dining saloon. In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. 34. Mr Reginald Fenton Butler was born in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England over the summer months of 1886. Both had the same configuration of portholes in March 1912. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets It is true that Titanic's bulkheads did not extend to the 'top' and were also not 'sealed' at the top, for a number of reasons. When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard, answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.". Refer to the images below. Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. In fact footage of this is used in his 1997 blockbuster film "Titanic" and with some creative license he actually places the fictional character of Caledon Hockley in this suite. Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. This is where Gardiner's theory starts to get even more bizarre. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) She worked up to 80. And as for both Lord and Smith sleeping "full clothed" that is pure speculation, and has little relevance anyway. The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted Also a sealed design would have restricted access to certain parts of the ship 2)J.P. Morgan had the power to influence governments, not least the British Government due to aid in the Crimean War. It was longer as it had to cover up the word Olympic that occupied more space. Local "runners". Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. Titanic's lifeboats had "RMS Olympic" written on them single-ended boilers in Boiler Room No. 27. Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. B. Ismay know this? Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. Survivor Lawrence Beesley wrote about men in the smoking room sighting the iceberg in his book, "The Loss of the SS Titanic": "One of them had seen through the windows an iceberg go by towering above the decks. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. However his comments that the The origin of this seems to have come from Paddy the pig, also known as James Fenton, who later in life related the following: When the There are ample photographs online and in books of this area of Titanic for you to check for yourself. 2. April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. Fentons poems ranged from narrative to nonsense. The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned )", By December 1911, Titanic was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. Corrections? Visit Fenton's special Poetry Archive webpage and listen to recordings of him reading the poems 'Wind', 'Blood and Lead', 'Jerusalem', and 'In Paris with You'. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the 3. He had called He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. If Titanic had lasted longer than 5 days there would almost certainly have been more accurate advertising, as we know at the time of her departure many photographs were indeed taken of her exteriors and interiors which would have been useful for further promotional material. - Lookout Reginald Lee at the British Inquiry (Day 4) ice " fall inboard. and would never get a job when they got out. 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. Patchwork and braces from Hawke collision in wreck photographs If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? According to Britannica.com "on April 11, 1912, the Carpathia departed from New York City for Fiume, carrying some 740 passengers." It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. Bulkhead put on Olympic found in stern wreck In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic Oh, I beg your pardon; they were on the Oceanic; but on the Titanic they had been provided coming round from Belfast? The source of this erroneous claim is here. Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. and loss account for the year to December 31 st 1911 was in surplus by 1,102,756 19343. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." The Olympic didn't even have a carpet, but the Titanic -- ah, you sank in it up to your knees. As for the White Star Line itself, it was the Stick to the path. and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. Since they both essentially had the same dimensions, the difference is simply due to revised interior configurations Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. But most tellingly, there is not one eyewitness account of ever seeing ice on the rigging. Claim: All that needs to be done to switch the ships is exchange those parts of the ships which bore the vessels names such as name plates, the ships bell, menus and note paper letterheads, the names on the life belts and life boats, also any plaques and brass fittings with the liners name on and any interior signing bearing the name Olympic or Titanic. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. Gardiner bases this hypothesis on the idea that the supposed iceberg was seen at such a short distance by the lookouts because it was actually a darkened ship. The claim that he repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic seems to be without founding. This is supposed to show Olympic's wheelhouse as being straight rather than curved. Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . It is not surprising that even Frank Finch doubted the third-hand story he relayed. 44. The wind blows through his silver hair. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection According to Don Lynch and his book "Titanic: An Illustrated History" they did not accompany him on the maiden voyage because they had instead chosen to spend the time on a motor holiday through Wales.. Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit James Fenton was born in Lincoln in 1949 and educated at Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the Newdigate Prize for poetry. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). The lifeboat was wrecked in a collision with the Gosport Ferry at Portsmouth and taken by the Royal Navy to Haslar for demolition. Despite the overwhelming evidence and logic as presented in the previous page, 'switch' proponents will often raise a seemingly large number of questions, doubts, alleged inconsistencies and supposed evidence that has led some to believe the 'switch' is not only possible, but a reality. Their error is simple: actually Titanic would have been the same tonnage as Olympic i.e. Was this done deliberately to help with the switch? "Wind", the opening poem in James Fenton's Yellow Tulips: Poems 1968-2011, was written over 30 years ago, but could be about any natural disaster or environmental crisis, and most of today's wars . Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. 19345. off the bell. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. This is consistent with the damage previously sustained by Olympic. Captain Smith on Titanic In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . He was the son of William Francis Butler (b. Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. The fireplace filmed in 1995 and which partly was shown in the "Titanic" movie at the beginning were actually the fireplace of sitting room B 51 which was occupied by Mrs. Cardeza and her son. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. 49. The hearings following the Olympic/Hawke collision included a damage assessment of the Olympic which was agreed upon by both White Star and the Royal Navy, and stated that the Hawkes bow had penetrated eight feet into Olympics hull. Get a Britannica Premium subscription and gain access to exclusive content. While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. It seems those intent on proving a 'switch' have mistaken the missing bridge enclosure, the rectangular gap in the forward bulwark (painted white) for the wheelhouse. the number of revolutions some time on Monday or Tuesday to 78, which he claimed would drive the ship at The only picture in the entire production to which Mr Newton had any rights at all was one late in the film supposedly showing where the name on the wreck had been altered. Early on, she was broadly running level with Olympics It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be Deck plans 1st Class Steward Edward Wheelton did met Thomas Andrews on B Deck after assisting with lifeboat No. The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. Firstly, they had been postponed for a day due to bad weather. Dr. Fenton is in the Division of Pulmonary, Critical Care and Sleep Medicine. But you do not need any imagination when you view a rather conclusive image that reveals that the 'patchwork' on the wreck does not match the location of the actual damage on the Olympic: Photograph of RMS Olympic showing the location of the damage. Olympic officers on the bridge Mr Harold Arthur Sanderson, Director of the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company (not from Harland and Wolff as claimed), Titanic's bulkheads were intentionally deficient and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. 6. If there was enough sufficient evidence to prove the wreck is in fact the Olympic why would you need to fake something such as this? Those travelling east bound logically did not depart from England, and so were relatively unaffected by the coal strike. It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. There are a couple of important points to first realise. Hardly "numerous" or warranting any suspicion, especially considering It must also be noted that many of Olympic's westbound crossings had an average speed of 21 and a half. According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit Damage to the Olympic due to its collision with HMS Hawke. Going aft he passes boat No. Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. In this close up of the post-disaster image of Olympic, This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. 4. The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. 18. The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. Claim: Eyewitnesses themselves describe running along Titanics decks, but where they said there were promenades, there should have been cabins. To presume that Ismay or Morgan had created an intentional design fault is simply absurd for one simple reason: the bulkhead design is the same for both the Olympic and Titanic, so in other words was designed and constructed years in advance of Fenton, F. -Saloon steward Ferrary, Auto -Trimmer Ferris, W. -Leading fireman . There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. (This is something I have noticed. It came from a mold and so there should be no surprise they are exactly the same, that is what you expect from faux marble. As far as I am If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. Damage to Olympic caused by its collision with HMS Hawke. Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? 8. Claim: More than fifty first class passengers cancelled at the last minute, many of them friends and business associates of JP Morgan, and Morgan himself (who had money tied up in the White Star Line) also cancelled claiming that he was ill. Morgan was found two days later by a reporter in good health at a French resort with his mistress. Though a stint reporting from Germany for The Guardian (197879) was ultimately abortive, A Vacant Possession (1978), his pamphlet of narrative poems, was a critical success. It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. 1 were never lit at all. Ballard has nothing to gain from keeping it a secret - it would be huge publicity for him. Olympic's wheelhouse was not curved He has worked as political journalist, drama critic, book reviewer, war correspondent, foreign correspondent and columnist. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. 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